EPI-47: Bipolar Prison Advocate Noelle Pollet
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Show Notes:
Noelle Pollet is an old friend way back from my very first public speaking event. Maybe 2011? 2010? 2009? Who knows.
But Noelle had the most questions of anyone in the audience to ask after I’d finished my talk.
And her enthusiasm about knowing what I’d learned was incredible!
We’ve been friends ever since.
I used to build websites for people. And she has two that I still oversee for her. (I no longer offer this as a service.)
- Heart Circle Consulting, Noelle’s personal consulting website and
- Peace Work Outreach, a site that ties in her work with much larger entities.
But something in me told me that I simply HAD TO give her this website support until it’s no longer needed.
Just a feeling I had inside that said, “This matters to everything.”
So I do this for her and one other person, my chiropractor.
I have thoughts on why this is. And it’s beyond just friendship.
I know, in part, it mattered to me that Noelle succeeded at what she does and that no one else was going to step up in this way, for a few different reasons.
None of them bad. It just is what it is.
And to a degree, I like being accountable in this tiny way to someone I care about so much.
First Diagnosis at 6 Yrs Old
That’s a mighty young age to catch a title.
She was hospitalized many times during her youth. And given every label you could think of to help describe her struggles.
Labels are ok, to point. But eventually, you start to see it’s pretty damn easy to drum a label. They become meaningless.
More Back Story
Noelle Helps Those Who Would Seem Beyond Help
She’s been a prison volunteer for 30+ years now.
She does so through a group called AVP (Alternatives to Violence Program.)
They teach prisoners a better way to deal with their issues, bring them peace, which lowers the level of chaos in the prion community at large.
It’s proven and highly effective.
She Shared With Me That Veterans Make The Worst Prisoners
I’ve been imprisoned. Briefly. On multiple occasions. And I know I couldn’t tolerate being trapped.
On one of my “trips”, I was put into solitary confinement to protect the other prisoners.
As a Marine and a man, I was always proud of that. Is that wrong? LOL
Anyway, Noelle always admired what I’d survived at my own hands, to include my level of violence and such, and the fact that I found a way to heal and move on from it.
Maybe that’s why I admired her AVP work so much.
“People are domesticated out of knowing their purpose.”
This was one of the coolest things she said in this interview.
And this is a thing for me.
I have a hard time accepting the very little other people are often willing to accept for themselves.
They just don’t think it’s possible. Realistic.
That’s the sound of a soul dying, to my ears.
To be sure, they dowant more.
And I often can see what it is that makes them great, even when they can’t.
And they deserve more, even though they think they don’t.
So they don’t even try to grow. Their dreams dead in the womb.
I still struggle with this.
But I no longer share that fact with anyone not already asking about it.
This is one way I protect my sanity from myself.
Which leads to the other cool thing Noelle shared in this interview:
“You’re Not In Charge Of Other People’s Shit!”
Do your best to remember that when next the urge to save is becoming embarrassingly strong.
Transcript
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Hey, this is Ken Jensen. I beat bipolar disorder in an all natural fashion back in the mid 2 thousands.
Believe it or not, that’s not even the coolest part of story. What I learned through that process and what came next and how that applied to bipolar and why bipolar was ever even part of the process, was mind blowing to say the least.
My polar has hidden within its strengths. I’m gonna show you what I mean and how they’ve shown up in my life so you can do the same. Hey, everybody, and welcome to episode 47 bipolar prison advocate Noel Polllet.
First off, let me just address for those of you that have been following along. I’ve been gone since about some point in June. I’m going to cryptically say nothing about why that was.
Because the next episode after this is gonna cover that. And I wanna focus on noelle and in our talk here. Something happened in my life had nothing to do with bipolar, just so you know, a little disclaimer.
Just a regular life event of an extremely Large type. And it took me I had things to do. So the thing that sucks in part about that is I had so many things I had planned on saying about.
This interview with Noel that you know, dear god, I don’t remember anymore what I was gonna say. And Noel, if you’re listening, I apologize for that.
But you know why I was gone and I know you’ll understand. So let me just Noelle is someone like me in that she has an inner calling to do something very large, and she’s actually been doing it.
She’s actually been doing it for decades longer to me. She I should say seems like she got a little clearer quite a bit faster. On where to take her heart’s yearnings and her wisdom and experiences and who to apply them to.
In her case, it had to do with prisoners. She’s told me things are like She told me some specifics that were sort of horrific, but it was many years ago.
I will spare you all, but let’s just say this. She’s dealt with prisoners on death row who have done some of the most heinous things.
Toby Hooper and the rest of the horror movie creators have yet to even build a film around, and she has a way of helping those people find peace. Doesn’t mean what doesn’t mean she endorses what they did.
You know, or or obviously that they were right in the things they did. But when these people find peace, They behave in a better fashion which lets the prisons run better. Less less chaos, less heat.
Less tension. And for that particular person, if they’re guilty, they know what they did and they still are people and they have to they they they have to they have to come to grips with this thing in in some sort of healthy fashion.
That’s the humane part of what Noel offers them. She’s been doing this for decades. It’s not the only thing she does. She helps a lot of people that are suffering under great mental loads.
And That’s even just you’ll need to go to her websites. You’ll need to go to hart circleconsulting dot com. And you will need to go to peace workoutreach dot org, and let that 1 trip you up. Dot org, peace work outreach dot org.
There are 2 2 entirely different sites. Both show exactly what Noel is all about and what she’s trying achieve in this life. And pick her pick her websites apart And if you resonate with anything she’s talking about or or just her.
Give her a ring. Drop her a line. She is beyond eager to share with you what it is she does and and why it might help you or your organization Noelle also operates on an organizational level with different entities.
And yet, she’s She’s very down to earth, very very warm. She’s very much just a a regular person in that respect. You’re talking to someone who represents a lot, but you’re just talking to Noel when you’re talking to Noel.
Go check out her site and see if, you know, there’s something there for you along the lines of, well, finding more peace in your life Noelle will show you how she does it, particularly in groups.
She does group work. So I’m gonna let her websites do the rest of the talking. For those of you that have been listening and wondering where I was, I I apologize. Like I said, I’ll I’ll deal with that in the next episode.
It was unavoidable. Well, for now, focus on whatever Noel and I talked about, Noel, 1 final time. I apologize I had such ideas for how this particular bit of the intro was gonna go and what I wanted to do on a web page and everything.
There is a web web page for all my episodes. You’ll find episode 47 on bipolar excellence dot com, and You’ll see what I did there with with this talk with Noelle.
I feel I’m rambling a bit. I’ve been I’m out of practice. I’ve been in an all day long fight trying to remember how to run my technology because I am not a technology guy.
I am just smart enough that I am gonna suffer quite a bit as I eventually win. It has been that kind of a day beyond frustrating.
I want a sound guy or girl. I can’t stand doing that part of this. And That’s how it has to go until until you can afford it not to be so. So anyway, Thank you everybody that has been wondering where I am.
Some of you have reached out. I’m really sorry for the the absence. It was unavoidable. And that’s it. I want you to go ahead right now and listen to 1 of my oldest and coolest friends. Moelle. Pollet, Noel Polllet.
Okay, here I am with my friend, Noel Polllet, Noelle met me when I started my public speaking adventure, which really only lasted a few years, but Marwell was a a big fan right from the get go, and she asked me the most questions of anybody in the crowd at my very first speaking event.
I was I was I was rough and crude at that event.
I’d never done such a thing before. My mind at that point, this was this was many years back. I I was I was out of bipolar, but still it still sort of flavored things and I was new to all of this.
And I handle myself in a way. I I don’t so much anymore. And I don’t think any of that mattered to Noel 1 little bit. She just wanted to know how I got better, as I recall.
So Noel has worked in the prison system for 30 years as a volunteer, Helping people in the worst situations feel okay about life. That that’s a very rough broad stroke. But she’s passionate about what she’s done.
She’s done a lot of good for a lot of people. Noel’s been a huge help to me. We’ve helped each other many times over the years. And she’s taught me things sometimes whether she was aware of it or not.
And I’m I’m glad that we’ve been friends ever since, and we are very supportive of each other’s mission, and I’m very excited to share my friend noelle with you guys. Hello, noelle.
Hi. That was great. And I don’t think you were rough or rude. You were you were lit up. Yeah. What? You’re an inspiration. I had a hair mania that lingered back in those years. It took a while to, like, lose its its its crispness.
It’s crisp edge. But yeah. Yeah. I was lit up. I was pretty happy to share what I was what I was sharing at that time, which at that point in my career was just helping people beat bipolar.
Now I’m helping people see the benefits that hide within bipolar, should 1 be fortunate enough to get the illness under control if not eradicated entirely, which is what happened to me.
But it has drawn many really cool people to me like you know well.
And I want people to know What you’ve been doing and when we met and where you’ve taken it all since and the various connections that have led from 1 thing to the other because your ride’s been very fascinating to me.
Could you tell us a little bit about what what you really did in the prison system?
I sure can and I’ll I’ll just lead into the prison system. I too have that diagnosis and I I have all kinds of thoughts about what that is that are not necessarily common opinion.
But for me, what earned me that diagnosis and a bunch of other ones as well is not it’s having coping mechanisms I developed as a child that didn’t serve me in hood.
They might have seen me through some rough times as a little kid, but I was packing and stacking emotional energy and eventually if you do that long enough, it blows.
And in my case, it blew when I went into some kind of messianic, you know, I am Jesus Christ Female counterpart. I was the Holy Spirit. I was Satan redeemed.
I had all these wonderful adventures being these messianic characters. And I was the first diagnosis I ever got I was 6 years old emotionally disturbed and that was just from just kind of being miserable and crying a lot of school.
But from all that time from age 6 to multiple hospitalizations, I was just not fielding I wasn’t behaving authentically, and then I would, you know, stack and pack these emotional bombs that were in there and eventually they’d blow.
And the prison work that I did was the most healing thing I’d ever experienced.
Literally, in 3 days, did more than and I don’t know how many years I was I guess 33 when I went in and 6 so subtract 6 from 33, 27 years of, you know, various therapies and medications and hospitalizations and ignoring all that for periods of time and having it come back to me, you know, in some episode.
And then this hospital was like more healing in 3 days than I had experienced in all that time. So I said, okay. This is so amazing. I will be doing something with this for the rest of my life, and I am.
And so far so good, and I’m 63. Woo hoo. Yeah. I I remember you telling me some things about working with AVP and just just some of the some of the really horrific circumstances you met that other people were in in prison.
And I just remember you saying it it helped people find some peace with that.
And if I if I remember right, the the program that you where you were basing your work off of, I think. Right? It was to When you help prisoners live better, there’s less troubles in the prison.
Was is that correct? Yeah. I would say so. Let me just, you know, tell folks what it is so that if you wanna seek this out, particularly you bipolar labeled people.
You might really get some healing. I sure did. It’s called The Autatives To Violence Project. It started in 19 75, a few years after the Attica uprising.
The Attica uprising happened in New York state when prisoners all over the state, probably all over the country, but in this this state were just not being treated at all humanely.
And they said we’ve got to do something different and they organized and they had a, you know, an uprisingriot, depending on what side of the fence you were on.
But that created a huge amount of trauma, bloodshed, death, tear gas, just a blood in the streets kind of mess.
And people were farmed out to different prisons. A group of them were farmed to Greenhaven in New York State, New York, which was not that far from me.
So that’s where it was they it was born in Greenhaven, New York, Stormville, New York in the Greenhaven prison. And they were some incarcerated people who had been through Attica, said we’ve got to do something different.
They were in a prison with young men who were just acting out in various ways that they saw another train wreck coming. They got we got to do something different.
And so they invited Quakers who happen to be, you know, experts, this group of them on conflict resolution, and then those in turn invited civil rights leaders Bernard Lafayette was Martin Luther King Junior’s right hand man.
And Martin Luther King Junior hours before he died said to Bernard, we have to internationalize and institutionalize these things that you’re learning and your, you know, bid for civil rights and freedom and, you know, interpersonal skill development and all this.
And so so those folks all were a little cocktail of people. They incarcerated people and the blinkers immediate civil rights leaders, and they created this alternatives to violence project, and it was just phenomenal.
There’s I I know somebody that was in the second workshop. He was so, you know, just an incarcerated person.
In his whole life, he’s dedicated to helping others now at this point. He’s just amazing guy, veteran Joseph Aiken. Shout out to Joseph Aiken. Anyway, so This thing has spread since 19 75 into 65 countries.
It’s not operating formally in all of those countries. But if made inroads. OZAR is still going in some form or another. It has imprisons all over the United States. In a lot of communities, and and they’ve been doing a lot on Zoom.
Zoom since COVID, I’ve been doing a lot on Zoom. But I took what they have and I’m part of an adaptation committee in the alternatives to violence project programs and I I do something called peace work.
And, peace work at this point is geared for people who wanna live their passions, and I’m hoping to get everybody who’s been trained.
Literally, there’s people with 40 years training in from the prison. 30, 20, 10, incredibly gifted because the work is about uncovering who you are.
And about developing interpersonal skills. It’s it’s got a kind of a spiritual foundation called transforming power that we all identify for ourselves Nobody tells us what that means.
And, you know, it’s just it’s just amazingly transformative stuff, and I would like to put those guys to work.
I’m doing stuff with veterans every week. To get those guys maybe to take it forward because I’ve done work with veterans and they love it. My my people that I’ve experienced love it. And anyway, there’s more mental health realm.
It’s kinda like there’s fingers and all these different tributaries, and I’m just hoping we all get some just wonder from the experience of knowing how to do it and sharing our passions with others in the format that it provides.
And then moving into the ocean of a new world, amen.
That was good. Thank you. That was good. And and I like to tie this to tie your story at least up to that point and to what I help people do and who I who it is I’m looking to help, it it shows well, first, you started looking for help.
And you and then you you look to give help. And in giving help, you got help. I have a feeling a lot of people that come my way are gonna have similar backgrounds.
I I bet more often than not. I think a lot of us in order in an effort to try to heal ourselves, we discover something that is more than just ourselves.
And then we gotta start telling people about that. And I I think that’s really cool because as you’re well aware, Most of the really powerfully, powerfully good things in life. They’ve gotta be discovered. They don’t get air time.
Where everybody gets older information from, they don’t get the kind of information people like you and I find regardless of what it is. It’s always it requires some some a little bit of the hero’s journey to go find it.
And I think your story has been the hero of your own story and and what uncovered. And and then what you’ve turned it into and how many you’ve impacted, you’re given a good it’s a good road map. It’s a good template.
That people should keep in mind that that come my way, that listen to this show, you’re you’re gonna have to put something into this And you’re gonna have to care enough to pursue it enough when it isn’t always clear.
And if your heart’s really into it and it’s helping you as well, you’re You’re probably that way already, but it’s it’s probably gonna turn into something you’re not aware of at the beginning.
Everything I’ve done, including stuff with Noel, including stuff even Noel’s done that I’ve helped her with, everything keeps morphing.
Certain things stay the same. Certain key issues stay stay in place, but I’ve been surprised at the turns You and I have both made noelle.
Yep. Lot of turns. Because you didn’t stop at at AVP. You you turn that into piece work, which is your own take on it. Right? Yep. And then you’ve gone from there where you you’re still doing it. You’re doing you’re doing both, I think.
Right? I well, I’m definitely still involved with AVP. I haven’t done a prison workshop since COVID. Right in the beginning, I did my last 1, which was the first 1 since I’ve moved to California from New York.
And that was quite a different experience, because I’d been doing New York prisons and they’re different. New York and California have different cultures in their prisons. But, yes, I’m I’m turning it into peace work.
And the reason I turned to peace work was because I wanted to get it to my peers in the mental health realm. And there was no way anybody was gonna allow me to do a 3 day experiential workshop anywhere in the mental health realm.
They just were not gonna give me that time and that was literally what it takes 18 to 22 hours in the prison and there’s a structure of how every workshop is developed.
There’s a lot of leeway within the structure because there are many exercises and we just do lead in activities that get us all laughing and, you know, a little affirm affirmation feeling good about ourselves and each other, and then we do some communication exercises, and then we do some cooperation type exercises where we might be building something together.
And then we we get into conflict resolution or conflict I forgot the other word, skills, skills to deal with situations such as so as not to escalate, you know, the whole idea was alternative to violence.
I personally prefer the notion of heading towards something than away from something, so that’s why I call it peace work.
And I was able to do it literally, you know, half an hour somewhere if that was all they would give me, or I could do it all day, which I have done.
So you know, I’ve done it in mental health mental hospitals and many day treatment programs.
I have the a wonderful amazing distinction of somebody asked me to come and talk at a an online during COVID community meeting And I said the most useful thing I could do with that hour is I could teach people how to do this.
They had me do it. They had me teach them. And most of the people hadn’t, you know, probably not experienced it, but there were a few who had including staff members, so that was helpful.
But that program became the most attended thing they were offering after 1 hour training because it is a very equality based pro process.
Everybody everybody gets to shine. You know, I came with an agenda and I said I explained how it works. And I said the first thing we’re gonna do is, you know, this kind of grounding exercise.
They don’t do that in ABP, but I do it in peace work. You know, somebody can lead us in a little breathing exercise. Anybody got 1 and somebody pops up. I could do that, and so that person takes on that piece.
And the next person takes on the next piece, which is a gathering, which is like a go round statement. At a time I was proud of myself was, and then we all answer it in turn with out interruption.
And then we go into some kind of an exercise and ideally something affirming in the beginning and then communication, you’re building on these building blocks.
And pretty impressive, I believe 3 different people from that organization wrote me and told me how much they loved it and how much it was the most attended thing. So that’s what I was aiming for when I started peace work.
I I felt like, you know, this is not that hard to do. In the prison system, you go to a basic training, you go to a advanced training, and then you go for a training, training, trainer’s training, or a training for facilitators.
And then you apprentice for a while. And in my situation, because, ideally, this work is done in teams, if I am a solo person, I’m gonna try to make a team out of people immediately.
So who’s willing to help me with this or that or this or that? Would somebody mind reading this?
Would somebody you know, do the scribing for the brainstorm we’re about to do so that you’re always including everybody so that everybody feels like they’ve got you know, a part of the the the complete beautiful event, and and people really get a lot of buy in that way.
And there’s exercises that are, you know, take you into very deep places of mourning and, you know, trauma bubbles rise up and they dissipate the group, and the next thing you know you’re doing what’s known as a light and a lively exercise, and you’re literally laughing out trauma energy.
So it’s just a completely different formula and through the years I have I have modified this to work for families.
I’ve done about 35 to 40 family circles. I’ve done, you know, just this is a 1 size fits all thing. I’ve done this with kids.
My my son’s high school for for 6 years, and it continued after I left for another 6 years, at least, they might still be going. I don’t know. I think it stopped for a while, but Anyway, that was runned out fairly high, by the way.
Oh. Yep. So it good. You could tell. Here I am 63 and I probably sound 23 because of my level of enthusiasm that’s kept me richly on purpose for a very long time.
Man, I’m glad you just said that because that’s something That’s something I’ve been striving towards for years.
I get closer to it all the time, but it’s something I’m fond of telling people as well. I think people have a vision sometimes of putting together their big dream, and then they they they I don’t know.
How would I put this? I believe the goal is to blur the line between work and life. If you’re doing what you like so much and you can figure out a way to make it sustain you as well, you win.
The the people that get excited to get up in the morning and go do whatever it is they do, even if it’s people with jobs, just regular jobs, That’s fantastic.
It just seems to be with just a job few and far between. It seems like you gotta step outside to standard issue, paycheck, deriving device, and build something of your own in in whatever way, or or develop a team to to to then join.
And put together a mission that everybody’s excited to be on, and you need less sleep. You feel healthier. You look forward to each day. And it’s bigger than yourself. You’re helping more people than you’re not just enjoying your day.
You’re enjoying your day because you’re helping so many people in large part. And I think that’s I think that’s something each person on the planet, particularly if they’re not happy with where they are.
I think this is a perspective. They might wanna look into taking. How do I how do I find a way to live doing what it is I love to do? And then from that point forward, you’ll never work another day in your life.
That is so so so so true. That’s so true. You’re 1 of the people I know, like like nobody else that you’re in it. I mean, it I I have to do a little infomercial about what’s come.
I really believe in that kind of idea that when you’re you’re up level, your vibration, you will just attract the things that are for you, and you up level your vibration by doing the things that are for you.
And, you know, feeling the ways, you know, I don’t know. I’m still working on that part. But I found this community. It’s called the earth waking community, and they do free events.
There’s actually 1 happening right now, and I know this is going to be played later. But And this weekend’s event is a 24 hour event called the solution. It’s a free thing.
They do do a wonderful pitch to try to get you to align with them and and put your resources behind their vision, but they also do something regularly called awakened Life Live and I I have now been involved with these folks for close to 2 years.
It’ll be 2 years in August.
And I they have up leveled me like nobody’s business. They have just fed me, you know, 1 concept after another that’s that supports what what Ken just said, this notion of you’re here for 1 purpose and that is to live your life fully.
That is to bring the gifts that you’re here to bring. There’s nothing else for you to do, but show up as who you are, and we are literally domesticated to a point that we don’t know how to do that.
We’re not trained to do that. We don’t even have this notion that we could do what we love and be supported in it.
And the only way to find out is to start doing what you love. Watch as the road, you know, rises to meet you, you know, and that’s what’s been happening for me.
And it doesn’t necessarily always happen the way like like this community that I’m a part of really stresses that, you know, spiritual sally is a lovely thing.
Where you you you do everything you can do, but you don’t ask for any money. But it’s not a sustainable thing as a rule. As their point, you know, get to the the place where you could literally say, listen, guys.
This is something to invest in. This is incredible stuff helped me move forward, which is why I started PeaceWork Outreach Ministry, and right now I’m in kind of a flux because I found out my my filing might not have gone correctly.
So right now, I can’t ask for anything. Aren’t you lucky? But I don’t I’m not good at that anyway. I hope I get better at it. But I’m noticing that my my financial needs have just become met anyway.
It’s like I work for on high. And what I need shows up. And it’s because I really am so committed to living this life of my heart, you know, that when I feel inspired, to do something, I just do go in that direction.
If there’s a pile of stuff to do, I’m gonna do the thing that feels the best at the moment that, you know, so many people don’t even like I don’t have that luxury.
I used to live like I didn’t have that luxury and it was pure hell, you know, So I am done with that. And now I am now aligned with this earth waking community. Everybody is perceiving the way I perceive.
And it used to be that I was out in front of all my friends in this kind of spiritual realization, be myself, move into this I’m like, you know, hanging on other people’s coattails trying to keep up where I am.
I love this community. It is so incredible.
So I’m and it’s so much is free free free, earth waking village dot com. You can go there and you can just get all kinds of introduction into various groups all the people like me sign up and then they offer themselves.
I do 3 groups a week for free at this point. Peace work. I might hit you up at some point when when I get you know but basically, I’m gonna do it whether anyone pays me or not because I love it.
Period. And my needs are met. There you go. Your turn can. Yeah. It’s it’s like a 2 not too sided. There there’s like 2 2 facets to that.
I I was talking about it in 1 of my episodes not long ago. Particularly with people that are trying to help other people out of bad situations, There’s AII see it a lot in different jobs I’ve had recently.
And even at nonprofits, like people that work in nonprofits, they shun the earning of money even though the nonprofit has a person who goes out like a warrior and does an incredible things and suffers frequently for it to constantly find the money to keep the non profit running.
It’s like, I think the the sooner the sooner the people that are part of something wonderful, The sooner that they can get into their heads, that money is just a tool to make other things happen.
It gives you options you do not have without it. You’re not doing what you do for money, but you damn well want all the money you can possibly get your hands on because to a large degree, there’s only so much you can do for free.
There’s a comes a point when somewhere, at some turns, some money needs to be involved or nothing happens.
This is evidence that every single nonprofit organization in the world, and and Many non profits are the most profitable organizations in the world on top of it.
I feel like they should almost train that to their volunteers and and their and their they’re employees because even where I’m at now, I’m working somewhere now where I do peer work.
And I’m just there as emotional support and to give hope and and help people pe keep people moving forward out of whatever dark place they were in, be it mental or something with an addiction.
And a lot of the people I work with I’ve heard it so many times. I don’t do this for the money. Well, then you’re only ever gonna be at the level you’re at doing it now.
And if you really love, love, love how you are helping people. I feel it would behoove you to get your mindset into that of the president of of the nonprofit that pays you?
Because he’s up leveled because he sees he needs or needs to needs to scale, needs to reach more people, and that is not gonna happen without any more money.
And I used to try to tell people that and 1 of the lessons I learned and this is for my audience, particularly if you’ve got a message to share and you’re very passionate about it.
If you offer advice and particularly about money and no 1 asked for it, it’s not gonna be received well.
So I live into a lot of things from those around me. I’ve I’ve developed a skill of talking to people and seeing where they’re at, just to know.
And if they say something where I realize they’re limiting themselves greatly, I keep that thought to myself and just keep the conversation rolling because that doesn’t make them a bad person in any way.
They’re just they’re not looking at things the way I do. And I know that unless they ask or get curious, they’re not gonna understand why I think like I do, why I’m thinking on the scale that I am.
And what I what I wish to to bring into my life for it, they’re not gonna ask, but they might 1 day. And then they and when they do ask, That’s when I get to share the the higher level things that I know.
That took me years to stop doing. And noelle, that was even something you partly you and I I think we we did on we almost did like a I see a symbol in my head but I don’t know what the word for it would be.
I remember talking to you a lot about about the things basically what I just said and and you were struggling with accepting the truth of that reality.
You gotta earn or you can’t you can’t do anything for free forever. But then I was also to a degree beating you over to head with my quote unquote help. You were 1 of the first people that I realized I was doing that too.
And it and the funny thing is is eventually you you you came to understand what I was saying, and it wasn’t just through me. And I came to understand, I gotta leave people to hell alone with my over enthusiastic and yeah.
It was it was weird. It’s I kinda got what I’d hoped for you. And without you ever saying it directly, you train me to calm the hell down. I think we were very good for each other in that — I think so too.
— situation. It was it was as a form of love at first sight. I just loved what you shared. You were so powerful, frankly. I mean, my god, I thought you were an excellent speaker.
I really thought that was going to be what you would be doing for the rest of your days was just amassing energy with in groups like that because that was you were really good at that.
But I’m I am I I You say that again? Oh, I appreciate you saying that, and I I plan I plan to get back to that actually.
This this what we’re doing here in part is an up ramping to to But what were you what were you about to say? Well, just this this community I’m a part of now.
I do remember those conversations and I and I and I still have, you know, a little bit of a split in me about it, but I can appreciate, like, the like, there’s a founder of the earthquake community is a man named Jonathan England, and he used to have trouble saying yes if somebody offered him a cup of soup.
He tells a story about that, you know. It’s like, no. No. No.
There’s, you know, I don’t wanna have to pay you back. I have no money. I can’t you know, it just is a whole big deal. But at some point when you get the idea that you literally are are in service of something greater than yourselves.
Yeah. Then it’s freaking selfish not to receive. You know, you you need to receive they said money is not, you know, an evil. It’s a magnifier. If you’re evil already, it will magnify your evil.
But if your heart is cure you wanna do the right thing. It’s gonna magnify whatever you that is. And he does a mighty pitch and he does 1 these days, you know, the first time I heard it, I was horrified, but I loved everything else.
So III was in, you know, a hundred percent. I there was a class that they were selling. And I took that class. And I’ve literally, it’s a 12 week class. I’ve literally been taking it for over 90 weeks now.
I just keep coming and making letting me come, you know, which I love. But anyway, I love watching him do it now because he really explains, you know, so beautifully how this is health.
This is you supporting what’s right for you and the planet. You invest thing in yourself is you on the way to the vision that you wanna see.
So when people, you know, come to the circles that I facilitate, at some point I anticipate and what it will be for me is literally tithing, you know, tithe or you know, contribute to my mission, you know, it’s it’s because I have a nonprofit faith based organization in the works.
And I did that because I didn’t wanna ask for money for me, you know. This is, you know — Yeah. — not comfortable for me to ask for money for me. I actually never have needed it.
I have always felt well cared for even though I lived, you know where I lived in this little cabin. My my annual expenses were, like, like, 2000 something dollars for my taxes and my you know, so and I did that.
I lived in a cabin for 4 and a half years without plumbing. So that I I could give what I had to give, and I would have to earn very little.
But now, I mean, I want that money because I want to be able to say, hey, you know, Joe, you just got out of prison and I happen to know you are facilitator gold you could just light up your neighborhood with the skills you have and here I’m gonna pay you because you don’t need to work at McDonald’s.
And people who have been going for their homes for 20 years, don’t your families are not really open to them saying, you know, I’m gonna start my little struggling not for profit organization.
I hope you don’t mind starving for the next 10 years. You know, that’s not that’s not feasible.
Their family’s like, no. You ain’t. You you sit down, you make us, you know, some contribution just to pay back the phone bill that we had while you were in prison all that time, you know, at least.
And so the guys gotta go or the women gotta go and do stuff that’s not in line with their skill set and their heart. And so it would be really nice to have if there’s any billionaires listening, noelle Polay.
You can find me online. P0LLET and and just help fund that thing because that to me is like this incredible workforce waiting to happen to wash this planet in in goodness.
That that that those people literally getting to work would transform this planet in nobody’s business.
I personally believe every circle that is facilitated in this style elevates human consciousness. We all get a little wiser. We all feel a little better.
We’re vibrating a little higher. I there was a a kind of a loose study on veterans in a jail in Washington state, and they took they were the angriest people on the planet incarcerated veterans are fucking pissed.
Excuse my car holding. They don’t like that. They are I can personally vouch for that. I’ve had many many visits. I never did time per se, but a lot of overnight visits.
And in some case, in 1 case. Let me not blow up my ego too big. In 1 case, I got removed from Genpop because I was gonna destroy everyone in Genpop and I was succeeding. They had to rescue the crowd from me. I don’t even remember it.
So, yeah, I can get that. Right. And so these people, because they have this this taxi anger test to tell you what what ambient anger is, how people how, you know, just an average guy is this level of angry, you know, say it’s a 2.
You know, an incarcerated person is this level. An incarcerated person with a diagnosis is this level. Okay. We’re getting up to 10. You know, an incarcerated veteran PTSD. Let’s take it up to like 50.
That’s not quite accurate. But, you know, it’s — Right. — significant difference. And so these guys go to this alternatives to a violence project workshop and a basic, 1 3 day basic, and they are now tested for their anger level.
It is below average. And that’s very impressive. That’s something. And then a year later, they’re tested again and they’re still below average.
From 1 experience, So that is and and that’s how meaningful that is, that program is, and and being a person who was diagnosed in and out of hospitals, and then stopped that.
I can vouch for how transformative it is, and I will say this earth waking community, if you go to those awake and life live events, is the same kind of powerful transformation tool.
Just gives you perceptions that are like, you know, concepts wow.
I never thought of that or a lot of times you’ve they’re validated for beliefs you already have, but these these mind shifting, perception shifting, you know, once you do that, the bipolar in my opinion, you’ve got to move energy and shift your belief system.
And those 2 things combined Goodbye bye, Paula. That was just a condition based on I didn’t know better because I was in that shape.
Man, I love the things you’re coming out with. And you’re saying that you need different we have different ways of saying the same thing, but you’re you’re you’re validating me.
It’s I’m I’m in the mental health field now. I’m on my my third job where I had 3 successive jobs and all were within the mental health field.
That has never happened to me before in my life. I just bounced from job to job to whatever appeals to me to whatever reason to get my needs met at the time.
And I learned a long time ago if I got the patience, I can learn any the jobs moved. Up up to a certain amount of educational level or skill level, I can do pretty much anything I care to do, and I always end up hating it all.
For the first time in my life, I have jobs now, successive jobs where I’m staying with mentally ill.
That’s and and addictive people, which is almost the same same in in most cases. And where was I going with that? It it’s a I have a lot to say about how it is like I overcame bipolar because I I walked out of it.
I I felt safe I walked away from meds in 2004, and I felt safe saying, I walked away from the illness in 2006. Whatever was left, you couldn’t you couldn’t put that in a pile and it would still represent anything that was bipolar.
It’s just little issues. And 1 of the hardest things for me to learn over the years was these things I know and can help people with, if if they would just ask or listen, And I’ve I’ve learned this through coaching training as well.
Most coaches feel that way about whatever it is they wanna help people with. And and then it it has to be handled right. It has to be delivered in the right context.
It has to be sought after by whoever it is you’re helping or it won’t be well received and I have to I have to keep my my mouth shut most times when I wanna share something very strongly or I just let a tiny little bit leak out to, like, plant a seed and then call it a day, because I found any more than that.
It either isn’t received well or not at all.
And it it and in some cases, it can upset people. Because they get attached to what are if they’re deep in some sort of problem. They get attached to that partly because they can’t They can’t see a different way out.
And partly because the world, as you were saying earlier, we we get trained in the thinking about things, and we have beliefs about things that we’re taught to us.
We don’t even we didn’t even know they were taught to us. There’s things everybody walks around. Those that are unaware Not like I’m aware of absolutely everything, but I’m aware of some things.
People in general are in a kinda fog and they don’t even know why they believe certain things they believe, but they really sat down on and picked it apart.
They might not feel so strongly about this or that. Or and they might even wonder how the hell did that even get into my head.
So You’re saying things that just validate my experiences as well, and I got I got so many thoughts popping in my head, but they I wanna make sure I put them out coherently. So I’m gonna let you say some more things. Alright.
Well, something you said got me thinking, or wanting to hear something, was in this earthquake and community, 1 of the concepts that they have and I some of this is just like so in your face when you hear it, but you don’t you don’t think about it, you know.
Like, if somebody is triggered, by something you say. And if just imagine being in a culture where everybody valued triggers, It’s like, you know, oh, you said something and that got that set me off, low hanging fruit.
That means there’s something in me that could be looked at and cleaned up.
I have, you know, triggers are not the same for everybody. 1 of the leaders of the community, his name is Kirk Me Tao. He talks about you know, when he was a kid, his mother was just absolutely horrific.
She just didn’t have the skills. She was very, very dysfunctional. And so when he was an adult, he’d see a loving mother with a child and he would go off the deep end in rage.
He just wanted, like, how dare she do that? You know, so much, Rachel. My my case, I actually thought that what’s his name? Lovely, mister Rogers, was was Scott had to be some kind of a pedophile.
Because I had experienced a little of that, and no man is gonna spend all no grown man is gonna spend all that time being nice and slow and gentle and he’s gotta want something.
Because I had a wound. I had a dysfunction in me. So I’m looking out through my lens and something happens and I really feel like this is a big deal right now. I’m in the and I kind of a conflict around this right now.
This whole thing about all the the gender trans you know, all the gender stuff and all the the racial stuff and everything that is causing everybody pain not that everybody doesn’t have a point in that listen, please, you know, this is me.
I need some value, some respect But the truth of the matter is if you have a a problem with me, that’s your problem.
And if you say something that I perceive as harmful, and it triggers me, that’s my problem. So it’s like, you know, why why does somebody saying some nasty racial thing hurt me so bad and it’s not necessarily anything to do with today.
It’s because when I was 6 years old somebody said such and such And it’s not that they said the thing.
It’s that I adopted the belief. I planted a seed in my own experience saying that person says I’m less than because of something, you know, outside of my control, I could say know, mentally ill.
I was behaving in certain ways. They made a judgment. You’re insane. You’re a nasty, you know, crazy whatever, and then I planted the seed that believed that. I said, oh, that must mean I’m I’m worthless.
That must mean I’m less than everybody else. That must mean and that’s the problem. So that’s a big piece of this I agree. Yeah. So so if I clean that up and there are literal tools, breakthrough tools, emotion get to that place tools.
If I clean that that seed up that tells me because if I believe that I’m worthless in some way, I will look for evidence every time. And if you say it over there, it’s gonna hurt me and I’m gonna want you to change your behavior.
I am not in control of everybody’s behavior, so I will never be happy until I do that inner work. It’s about taking the deep dive feeling the pain uprooting those seeds.
1 of the tricks they say is invite somebody into that moment when you’re about to plant that seed you know, when those kids told you something negative about yourself and you were about to agree with them and then look for the rest of your life at the world from that lens that you were less than, invite somebody in who you know would never lie to you.
Maybe be be Jesus or maybe you’re you’re you’re aunt Millie or just somebody you know would always tell you the truth and have them tell you the truth.
Are you worthless because somebody called you some racial slur or told told you you were crazy or anything.
No. You’re you’re awesome. You’re you’re here for a purpose. You’re beautiful. There’s only 1 you and the whole freaking creation ever.
You’re just magnificent, you know. And you’re just like, oh, yes, I am. My magnificent. That’s to truth. That’s the truth. And then somebody can say whatever they want to and you can then be in a position to educate them.
You know, hi there. Yes. I just saw this, you know, worm fall out of your mouth. That’s not very attractive. Just so you know if you wanna get along in the world, it might be a little better if you express yourself this way.
But you don’t have any investment 1 way or the other because those are sovereign beings like you and they get to be idiots as long as they want to.
And so that, like, just imagine if everybody stayed in their own lane. This is my lane you get to be whoever you are, you get to be as big an asshole as you want.
And by the way, the word asshole in my community is now reverence. Because assholes, I’m sorry for all this cursing, but it’s it was just a very cute assholes are the the part of the body that let’s go of shit.
So Yeah. Let’s let’s be that because we could we could do with that and and anything that we let go of can grow into something lovely.
And facilitate growth. Boy, buy off on a tangent. No. But you just keep hitting. I I wish I was somebody that took notes in a certain way I could go back and hit the bullet points and address them. You you you’ve already said things.
There’s like 5 other shows we could talk about just on point you’ve been addressing. Like, Your beliefs, most of them are formed when you were very little as a child, you had to survive a big scary adult world.
And you you come up with beliefs that protect you from basically the adult world and help you maneuver through it, how how to get through it as best as possible, And then as you age, you become an adult and you’re still running on that rule system you set up when you were 6 or 7, but you have no idea it exists and it’s causing you quite a bit of your problems.
And I’m sure there’s variations of that as you get older and other people add their their unwanted 2 cents. It’s probably the same kind of an effect like what you were just talking about.
But Once you become aware that you’re you’re direct in your life with these beliefs of a of a child that you developed as a child, you you can you can undo them.
It’s not as simple as that, but they can be undone and better beliefs can be put in place.
Then another thing you said, Oh, something about assholes being in your life. I had a big 1 not long ago, and took me to a place. I haven’t touched on anger wise and I don’t know how long.
It’s been years. And you got me right up to force 10, full on marine corps, thinking the darkest things, and how I’m just gonna put I’m gonna end this person’s existence on a planet.
I’m thinking it. And then I’m I’m sort of embodying it. And then I got terrified. I’m like, I can I can actually do this?
I gotta get away from this guy because now I’m plotting it. And I got out of there. I knew I was never going to act on any of it, but I was surprised that the ferocity and the clarity of the plan and how man it was as this person.
And with all the training I’ve had in personal development and even even all these various coaching schools, I got certified in.
What I was able to do, not the first day. The best the the best thing I could do with someone with a with a pass like mine was I got myself out of the situation.
That’s like the smartest thing someone like me can do is walk instantly and don’t keep adding to it. I knew I wasn’t gonna act regardless. I wouldn’t let that cat all the way out of the bag, but I was surprised at how much I wanted to.
Then by the next day, there was a weekend settled in, and I stewed. I ruminated for 4 straight days mad at myself because I knew better. But by the second day, I was like, you know something?
This guy handed me a gift. Because the reason he made me mad was I realized he was about to change the entire reality of this job I was at for the negative. He’s gonna hurt everyone here that I care about, which he was already doing.
And there was nothing I could do anymore to protect these people. I’d done all I could. And I was literally fighting the entire system covertly and overtly on my own as a peon really.
And I wasn’t gonna I wasn’t gonna get the effect I wanted anymore. I had done as much good as I could for as many people against the system for as long as I could. And now new sheriff in town, and I it was it was too big.
Everybody was on this person’s side, and the system wanted people like him in this facility. So I was like, that’s it. And and I realized now I gotta get another job because I can’t stay here.
I can’t support this. It’s ugly. It’s hurtful. And the reason in part that I got so mad didn’t even have anything to do with him at all, it was because I shoulda got out of that situation a long time prior.
I had gotten comfortable. It wasn’t paying me enough to meet my needs. I just cared about the people I was in charge of so much And then I was comfortable in a lot of other ways.
And this guy was like a mirror to me in effect stating time to up level. And I’ve come to understand with me. It is very it’s it’s it’s it’s rare that something gets this dramatic.
It’s it’s very rare. This was the first time in years, but it it made me think back to what had happened to me. I look at bipolar as an awakening. And the Old Me was so stubborn and set in his ways up until his late twenties.
It took the violence of severe bipolar inside me to shake up the old me and burn them down to the ground so to better me that was there all along could finally get some some time to to shine.
And I’ve come to realize over the last couple of years, I’m going through versions of that again. This this 1 person being the exclusion.
Nothing is near as dramatic, but when I get unhappy about certain things, I quickly start looking to fur what the lesson is, what’s really going on here because It it’s got a flavor to it almost that my brain picks up on after a moment.
First you’re mad and you soak in it or you pity yourself. But that last that’s very brief for me anymore. Usually hours. And then I’m like, what am I really upset about? And and I gotta force myself.
I gotta dig. And and if I dig, I’ll find out there’s a way I could just be handling something better and I’m not. And I’m trying to force this situation in the meeting whatever that other need is, and it’s it’s the wrong context.
And I can do better. It’s like I’m hanging on to something that needs to be let go of. And and I know from experience if I do, Even though it might not make me comfortable or happy immediately, my life’s gonna get better.
I look for these things. Kinda like what you I think I think that’s what you were saying with you your group looks at triggers as a plus. Exactly. Exactly.
The the the real some some bottom line cruxes are a hundred percent responsibility for my experience. Another drill. Yes. What was that? Another gem. That’s like I don’t know if that’s my number 1 rule, but III think it probably is.
Everything in life is your fault. People take that to mean like you’re you’re to blame in the negative. No. Just out of literal sense. Nobody else is living your life for you, only you can.
Therefore, everything is your fault. And you can’t control every If a plane falls out of the sky out of your house, you you had no saying that. But how you react to that plane hitting on your house is completely within your control.
That makes me think of Victor Frankle, man’s search for meaning. He decided in the camps. There is no I don’t I can’t believe there’s a misery worse than that experience.
Not I I can’t think of 1. And in that misery, He decided they can’t get in my head and tell me how to feel. It’s not that he disregarded the pain and the suffering and the loss.
He just refused to let it be the way he responded to everything. He he refused to let that be the fuel and direct his actions, he decided to do better things with his day than than let all those negatives dictate his actions.
And that’s of course the most impressive example of taking personal responsibility that I’ve ever heard of. But ever since I read it, and I don’t remember anything about the book other than that, It’s like you know what?
I don’t know if I’d ever have it. I mean, to do it to do that as well as he did in that situation. But He did it, which means it can be done.
And I strive to, like, get myself closer to the Victor way of looking things at things than not. Yep. And I mean, fault is a word. I mean, like they say in the community, response able. You’re responsible.
Your response able But even more than that, there is this idea that we are divine creators. We were made in the likeness of an image. If that is if you happen to be spiritual slash god type of thinker, then that’s something to consider.
If that’s the case, then I am literally creating my experience. And how am I doing that, they they talk about you. We we go where we live emotionally, and we use our environment to get us there.
So if you notice that you’re having a very similar emotional experience to when you were a kid, you’ve got some kind of abusive spouse like your dad or whatever the thing is, you know, take responsibility because you are responsible.
You know, you can clean that up and you can change the situation. And then once you’re free of the nonsense, then you’re free to create, which is actually your heritage, your creator, and you are creating the crap.
But if you take responsibility, you can start to create the wonder and the joy and the better world that we all want to live in.
And it is time to wake up to these powers if we wanna have any more time. If we wanna you know, I don’t know, time may shift with all this, you know, awakening. I’m not sure. But My goodness. It’s good stuff.
I know 1 thought that came up was, you know, when this thing happens, like you had this experience with this man, the question would be, how does this make you feel about yourself, and then, you know, it makes me feel, and then you go and look for it in childhood.
It makes me feel, you know, out of control. It makes me feel powerless. It makes me feel threatened. It makes me feel, you know, just find that. And then, pick the 7 year old memory that was the first time you felt that way.
And that’s when you planted a seed and that’s why that guy can yank your chain so good, you know, and I it does strike me that you, you know, you could not stay in that vibrational field because that was just not you.
You had to leave or he did, you know, 1 or the other because it’s just that wasn’t, you know, where you would remain.
But, anyway, it I I love that you said it was a gift because it was a gift, you know. It taught you all kinds of stuff. What am I gonna use this for is another thing. Okay. Here’s a giant flaming idiot nasty person.
What am I going to use this for? Again, with your gems. That was you actually what you just said a moment ago, that was what had me the most mad because this guy was a a bully of the purest sense.
Limited limited intelligence, unhealthy in every way, seeking power that was part of the defense he used in our verbal argument. I was robbing him of his power was his actual words in such a small setting.
I was embarrassed for him that he just said that to me. But I understood him. He’s a type. I’ve seen them before. They have no power, so they hurt the ones weaker than them. He’s a bully.
And when I was growing up, I was bullied a lot. I mean I’m I’m I’m pretty much a monster at this at this age. Have been for years. I’m I’m real large and, you know, I know what I know. I can handle myself. I don’t get bullied.
I never will get bullied. Haven’t been in forever. But I was when I was young. And this guy directly assaulted that those memories like you said because I have a very huge anti I bully component to how I move through life.
I have no tolerance for them. And and then as a marine, it’s like we’re we’re literally trained to in 1 sense. It ain’t all we do, but we’re supposed to protect those that can’t protect themselves.
So I got that layered on top of my my youth experiences when I had no protection. You put the 2 together. I’m bad news for a bully except I can’t really act on any of it.
I have to do something more cerebral, adult like, you know, more, you know, something with a higher emotional quotient attached to it and And I was impressed with myself that I was able to just get away.
I was impressed that by the second day, even always staying mad for 3 days later.
I was impressed that I got the message and I would never thank him. I wouldn’t give him that but but I I did thank him in in in my heart. I was like, I needed that. That’s what it took because I’m I’m stubborn at times.
I needed to get out of there. And then to a point you just said as well, I knew that and all the work that I already do with this podcast, this website, the ones that existed before at my book.
I’ll be in a position. I’m I’m I’m I’m in I’m in it now. But it’s gonna become scaled up where I can finally I can I can help people in a way that I can’t just as 1 guy not doing all the work I do and talking to people like you?
I’m becoming something that I can, in whatever way, help people survive the bullies of the world, without me actually being there to physically step in the path, which I can’t even do anyway.
Crapes for that matter, I’m a felon. I’m a felon from years back for DWIs. If I got 1 more strike, I don’t even know how much time I lose in in a box, but I I’m trying to find out.
So I I try very hard to to not that it’s a struggle, but I I tend to behave in situations where the little voice was like, let’s go get into that over there.
I’m like, no, we can’t. I just keep about my business. But it’s like I’m I’m amassing skills and knowledge and connections and power of sorts to where I’ll be able to affect change for people that that can’t for themselves.
And then they bloom into something, etcetera, etcetera. That’s that’s what you and I are doing right now. That’s lovely. We’re coming up on an hour, and I don’t know, but it’s feeling pretty pretty darn round and complete to me.
How do you feel? Yeah. An hour’s nice. I think we hit on a well, we gave people a lot to think about. Well, then here’s what we’ll do. I know you have 2 websites.
Do you wanna you wanna advertise them both or just 1? What websites would you like? 1 is 1 is beautiful and brand new and in the direction. It’s the arrow pointing, and that is pieceworkoutreach dot org. WWW pieceworkoutreach dot org.
And then the other 1 is the 1 that Ken gave me as a gift years and years ago. God bless you because it legitimized me when I never would have gotten that done. And I just it’s so lovely and it’s called Heart Circle Consulting dot com.
And that 1 is much more comprehensive. There’s much more information. There’s lots of like, you know, tools, the family circles or described in detail. There’s no the work yeah. Both both of them have the piecework toolkit.
And literally, you could download that piecework toolkit and and run with it and and create enormously wonderful groups, particularly aimed at the mental health realm I, right now, unfortunately, do not have any means for you to donate to me.
Donate to donate to Ken. If you want to donate donate to him because he does wonderful work for me for free at times. Sometimes I said, drop him a few bucks.
But if you want to donate to him, that would make me happy. But at some point, I will have my donation button up and running again. But but right now, I got a little bit of a jackpot going on there. So Anyway, I love this conversation.
I thank you for showcasing me and all my enthusiasm. Yeah. And we’re gonna we’re gonna do it again. I can see that already. And then we’ll we’ll get we’ll get more specific. We could probably do many talks.
Where we just hit 1 topic and just stay tight to that topic because you’re a wealth of information. And I know for a fact that my visitors my people, when when they when they know you more, you’re gonna do things for them.
I, you know, I can’t even think about doing. That’s that’s how this all works. We we crossed back and forth with the more people meet us through us and they find ways of getting help that they couldn’t have got with us.
And I find that extremely exciting and I I can’t wait to talk to you again about really anything.
That’s awesome. That’s awesome. And I just want to remind people that earth waking village dot com because there are so many people in our community with diagnosis addiction, and they are getting the mental mindset to just blow past it.
So that is just 1 possibility for a community that you could be a part of that can Can you state out again that website, please?
It’s it’s Earth waking Village, earth as in Earth, the planet, waking up, waking earth waking village dot com. Excellent. And tons of free stuff including me.
That’s a heck of a pitch. That’s a perfect way to end this. Noel, thank you very much for giving me your time. Thanks for being my friend all these years and supporter. It has been a pleasure and a blessing supporting you.
We’re just like the we’re just like, what do they call that? Mutual respect. We’re just a huge, great, big, 2 person mutual respect. Factory over here. Mutual aberration. Yep. And I’m I’m I’m on board for that.
Amen. We’re gonna do more. Alright. Noelle, thank you very much. I love you, Ken. I love you too. Take care, Noel. Bye bye. So there was Noel and I. She’s a sweetheart. She’s all heart. She she’s been put on this earth to help people.
The end. Part of why there was a a pause. It wasn’t It wasn’t, by any means, the bulk of it, but par wide, it was a pause. The there’s a a software system I use to make my recordings with with interviewees. I’m new to it.
This was my, what, third, fourth, and It crashed. It it it did not function the way it was supposed to to merge the 2 audio tracks that made up this interview and Because of what was building in my life, I I was at max capacity.
I did what I could to try to figure out how to mate the audio files and blah blah blah blah, and I kept testing the the system because every now and then there’d be like a glitch and then it would fix itself.
It was not fixing itself. I was reaching out to the support people, and they were going through some big changes.
The company’s awesome. I only wanna mention them right now because this is the only downside I’ve ever experienced with them, and it does not represent the full ride I’ve had with them in in any way, shape, or form.
But they weren’t able to fix this 1 thing. They had a way that I could do it manually that was just a hair beyond my pay grade. And that was many months ago, and I just knitted it together today.
So Here it is in December already. So I guess I’m sharing all of this because You’re gonna run into the same shit. You are. There’s there’s when it comes to technology, it’s always getting easier and simpler.
Right now, I have a big old swing arm, boom boom arm, microphone and I got a mixing board. I don’t know what it’s got knobs and stuff galore. I I don’t know what most of it does every now and then I figure out and a little bit more.
It it’s overkill for what I’m doing here. I know a lot of people still use stuff like this, but I’m I’m more for simplifying whenever I can. There’s a company called I think it’s Nimono.
They’re out of Norway. They have they got AAA system coming out that’s gonna simplify quite a bit of this and reduce my equipment load. And I can’t wait to grab some of that once once they release their their device.
It’d be enough fellow Norwegian, this sort of excites me that my people showed up with with such a thing to simplify and take away so much pain in the podcast industry the way they have.
So there was again, and III feel I’m just rambling again. I’m I’m glad you guys are hanging in with me while I find my my sea legs once again. But anyway, A lot has happened. Outside of this podcast, I didn’t go away.
Some things happened at my new job as well. Nothing Nothing bad. I just I had a lot to learn. I had a new way of doing business to learn. So that, the thing that makes me so valuable to people could could be used.
There’s a lot of side issues that have nothing to do with me, me, and me, but you gotta feed whatever, you know, administrative monster exists just like any other job.
And it gets in the way of the the stuff I love doing, but that’s that’s life.
So Kenny has been rather full, overwhelmed, and up against hurdles he just simply could not climb over at those times. But any of you that know me for any length of time know that no hurdle ever stops me, not really.
Could be a longer pause than I’d care for it to be, but I never actually get stopped. So I’m back now. I’m happy to be back. Well, this podcast is important to me.
You guys are important to me. This is my way of breaking in to find my group, build my community, not only help you guys, but build the world in which I want to live. Keep what I just said right there.
Top of mine, whenever you can. You’ll find it serves you very well. Alright, guys. Thanks 1 last time for your patience and Noel as well. And I’ll get better as I refine my groove. Alright, guys. Take care yourselves out there. See you.
Troy Steven got his first taste of bipolar in 1993. He said it made him feel odd, dangerous.
Lynn Rae was diagnosed with depression at age 30 and bipolar disorder at age 35. She has been living with these illnesses since 1991 and has had numerous hospitalizations.