Welcome to the Bipolar Excellence Podcast. Episode Five, the Karen Gupton interview. This is the fourth interview out of five from a podcast called After Bipolar I used to have, and it no longer exists. I’m not going to say too much in this introduction because there is an introduction connected from years ago to that interview as well.

So just a three-stager like the ones before it. Karen? I can’t find any evidence of her online anymore. She was a sweetheart. And I was led to her by my coach, Ronda. My writing coach. Ronda helped me write my book. Ronda’s all over Amazon if you look up Ronda Del Boccio. Ronda’s pretty incredible. She’s in a category of her own. Somebody very special.

And if she offers something that speaks to you, you’re going to do well by connecting with her. I can’t say enough good about Ronda. I’m going to leave it at that because I really like what I said in the old introduction to the old interview. So just go right into that.

Original Review Starts Here

Hey everybody. This is Ken Jensen with the After Bipolar Podcast, Episode Five, the Karen Upton interview.

This can also be called the ultimate retelling of my bipolar origin story episode.

Karen came my way from my writing coach. When I wrote my book, It Takes Guts To Be Me. My writing coach Ronda was partnered with Karen on an internet talk show of a sort, I guess you could say. Pretty much a podcast. Must’ve been exactly a podcast. Ronda’s very cool. Ronda Del Boccio.

Karen was very nice. I think they had actually interviewed me on another… I think there had been a second episode. I remember something because I remember something in an interview I wasn’t happy about on my part. And I couldn’t find a copy of that. So …good. In this interview, Karen got me to share my entire bipolar origin story.

And then obviously what came after. And she did a real good job of asking me the right questions. And I did a good job of keeping my answers rather concise, short and sweet. A lot of drama filled information without a drama filled delivery. I was real happy with it. I haven’t listened to that interview in years.

So if anything, I maybe should have made this my first episode. I didn’t know, until I listened to it, how well that that came out. On another note, you’re going to hear links to a website that don’t exist anymore. And at the very end I reference what… everything was true. Everything that you’ll hear me saying was true

But really in terms of talking to a bipolar person, it almost sounded to my ears, like I was sliding back into some sort of bipolar, mania driven dream world. That’s what I would’ve thought. If I heard this interview and didn’t know the backstory of what it is I was sharing right at the very end, cause it was all real.

And it’s connected to the… I got a lot going on. It’s all mixing up in my head… the Outsiders Journey Podcast Episode Two. My Mad Demi Gods episode. As I was improving and evolving and excited to share my story is when I crossed paths with both some rock solid people who themselves… well-established business people …with a vision for the city that we were in.

And also the biggest Mad Demi God. I met them both at the same time. And together before any of us realized how mad the Demi God was, we had kicked off quite a project.

It was all real. And we were working with some millionaires. And we were working with city planners. There was a group of us that were going to different cities and having meetings with city planners. And it was all real as far as that was happening. And everyone involved for the most part was legitimate, but it never became anything. But it was awful interesting and awful fun.

I learned a lot. I got myself into meetings, in places I could never foresee myself being. I got people to listen to me that I can’t even believe to this day we got that far. But it was all real, but never became something you could touch. Fascinating times. And I’m still friends with three-quarters of the people involved, all good people.

Everyone’s either continued doing whatever they were doing when they met me or they’ve gone on to other things equally cool. Just an interesting take on being someone who was bipolar as well as, as I call it, bipolar prone, to have the kind of personality characteristics that someone like me has.

Now, we’re getting more into the DaVinci aspect of a person. The things that happened with the mad demigod and the legitimate people… these things get drawn to us. And we get drawn to things. And we’re able to start knitting stuff together that I think, most of which doesn’t come true. But some of it does.

You’re in one example of a thing coming true. This website, outsider journey.com. Well, if you haven’t been to the website yet, please go to it and you’ll see what I’m talking about. So go ahead and listen to this interview with Karen. She’s a real sweet lady. Going to try to find the link to wherever it was, she was inhabiting when she interviewed me, I’ll try to find something.

I’ll link to Ronda. Ronda is incredible. We haven’t talked directly in a couple of years or more, but I’m very proud to send people her way. She’s not working with the company she was when she and I first met. But there’d be no me today. There’d be no book. And subsequently this, without Ronda.

She was a key part in unearthing my whole story from my head. I couldn’t see it. I was in it. She is the number one person that helped me see what became, eventually, all this. So I owe her a big debt of gratitude for that. So. Here’s the Karen Upton interview.

Interview Starts Here

Karen: Hello, this is Karen Gupton. And today I’m talking with Ken Jensen. Ken is a Marine Gulf War Veteran, who overcame came bipolar disorder without using meds. This wasn’t by choice. It was survival-based. Doctors couldn’t help him. And medicine only worsened his health. But the development of his system, TORQUE BACK, and the great results it delivered him have led him to life he never imagined possible.

He became a public speaker, life coach, consultant, motivator business development specialist, and an activist for the disabled and disenfranchised of all sorts. He rebuilt his life from the ground up and even regained his family’s love and trust, after losing both due to the behavior his bipolar caused.

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This list of achievements can be copied by others if they so desire, including, and especially the overcoming of bipolar disorder, in an all natural sense. Life is good and anyone can change for the better. Ken Jensen is living proof of that.

First of all, Ken thank you for joining us this afternoon. And I’m looking forward to talking with you.

Ken: Thanks for having me. I appreciate it.

Karen: Okay, well let’s start at the beginning. When were you first diagnosed with bipolar disorder?

Ken: Probably was about 1997. I was about 29. I started experiencing constant stress on a higher level than I’d ever felt in my life before. And it was picking up steam. More and more was upsetting me. The size of an issue that it took to upset me, was getting smaller and smaller. And my response to how I wanted to handle the stress was getting more intense, more severe, more anger based, more violence based. And it seemed to be growing by the day.

I went to a doctor who was a regular medical doctor. And he gave me a full physical because he was detecting a pattern. He said, you keep showing up here asking me for Valium and I’m not quite sure what’s going on with you. But after the physical, he said, you’re absolutely physically my healthiest patient. You’re a bear. I think what’s going on with you is between your ears.

And he asked me if I had any problems with going to a psychiatrist. And at that point, my stress had become so intense and I knew it was problematic. I knew it wasn’t in rational or normal. I said, I don’t care who I got to see. This, this has to be stopped. It’s getting too intense, it’s getting scary. What I’m getting ready to do when anybody upsets me.

And it’s taking almost nothing to upset me. And I’m a combat Marine vet who bodybuilds. That’s a bad situation if I got too upset. So I went to a psychiatrist and within 20 minutes he diagnosed me. At that time I was classic bipolar. And then my Odyssey with medication began that day.

Karen: Okay. So, did he recommend medication at that time?

Ken: Oh, immediately. And I was hurting so bad inside that I really didn’t care. I wanted relief. And it made sense to me at the time to do medication. The very first thing we tried was Depakote. And within 24 hours, I became suicidal in nature.

I wasn’t going to kill myself and I didn’t want to. But I got so just slammed with despair and angst and just hurt on a level I’d never experienced before it scared me. And I called the doctor and told him what was happening. And he said, that’s the Depakote. You’re responding to it poorly. Don’t take another one. We’ve got to switch it up.

So that became a theme that followed me for the next six years, switching meds and mixing cocktails. And you know, a lot of people that listen to this interview will be familiar with that.

Karen: Okay. So, you would basically try different combinations and see how you reacted. Did you finally find a combination that worked?

Ken: No, never did. I would experience brief periods of respite, sometimes only lasting days, sometimes weeks, maybe a month where the symptoms wouldn’t be as intense, but they never actually left. And over time they just kept getting stronger.

The only thing that even sort of put a dent in it was benzos. But I got to a point where the doctor told me Take them like candy. It really doesn’t matter at this point. If you’re freaked out, take them. It’s the only thing that even has any kind of effect, which is, you know, that’s terrible.

Those things are disastrous to your physical health, the liver and all of that. But yeah, the benzos a tiny bit, but other than that, no. I would just get a moment of reprieve and then the game would be back on and almost out of spite, it would get even stronger.

So what finally happened to turn you to an all natural approach?

That would be my death sentence that my last psychiatrist handed me. I’m a vet. So I had all my healthcare handled at the VA. I had some civilian doctors in the middle just out of desperation. I was trying anything because nothing was working.

And my life was just… by the time I got my death sentence, there was only three things I could feel. Fear, despair and rage. That’s it. There was no other emotion. And I had no life. I was a recluse who smoked cigarettes, held still. And the only thought I used to think was, well, two things:

I can’t understand why I’m still alive because it was pointless. And two, I can’t hurt anybody.

I would just go through those two statements in my head over and over. The doctor, we always talked straight. I said don’t mess with me. Tell me straight up. And he goes, I promise. I will. One day we were doing our last meds change and going over the results, which were nil.

And he said, you are absolutely meds resistant, a hundred percent, nothing is touching your illness. It’s getting worse. He goes, we’ve tried things we both knew weren’t even going to work. And he said I don’t have high hopes for your future. In all honesty, you’re going to be dead in about six months, one way or the other from bipolar.

This illness is going to take you out, due to the behavior you exhibit when you lose it or something. And I sat there I was like Cripes. You’re right. I’m gone. And he told me he just shook his head. He was like, I hate this about you. I go what.

He said, you’re my only patient who doesn’t just take the pill and call it a day.

You go home and research. You’re on the internet, you’re in a library. You’re talking to people. He said, you know. You know, more than any other patient I have, absolutely how screwed you are. And he goes, I wish you were ignorant. I think it would give you some modicum of peace. And he said at this point, if you’ve got to see a witch doctor, you got my blessing.

He said, I can’t help you. No doctor really can. We know this now. It’s been six years and we’ve tried everything. He said, do whatever you think might work.

Karen: So then what was your, what was your next step then?

Ken: Well, I went home. On the drive home is a long way to the VA center. So I go home thinking about this.

I sat home and I knew I was going to die. And I knew the way I died was going to make the newspapers. I wasn’t going to go quietly. It was going to be spectacular. And it was going to hurt everyone I loved. And that was the way I was. I was over the top in my actions.

I heard a little voice in my head, a normal one, and it was my Marine voice, which I had not heard in years.

And he just said, this is not the way Marine goes out. Do something. Fight. Well, I didn’t roar back to good health. I wish there was an immediate victory story. There wasn’t. Over the next two years, I started putting pieces together and testing.

The very first thing that came my way that gave me some hope was an article on a company that had a nutrient based approach to fighting bipolar. And one thing immediately struck me. Discover magazine could not risk its reputation by doing a cover page article on snake oil.

So before I even read the article, I was halfway sold. And then as I read the article, based on what I knew from bodybuilding… bodybuilders try to max out their body’s performance, get muscles to grow.

To do that you have to be very meticulous in how you eat and what you supply your body. It’s like a high tuned race car. You got to give it the absolute best if you want the most out of it. As I read the article, it matched everything I knew from training. And I realized I had usually eaten very well, but I needed far, far more nutrients than non bipolar people.

That was the first step. When I did the nutrient based approach, I found a few other nutrients over time that I threw in that made sense to me again, from a lot of the builder’s standpoint and just from a biological and chemistry standpoint. And after a certain point, I actually had about a 75% turnaround for the better.

And then it dawned on me. Part of my problem with my polar had nothing to do with my body. It had to do with how I looked at the world as a person, how I interacted with the world, what my habits were, why I thought like I did, why I believed what I did… about anything. And I realized I was wrong in a lot of key areas.

And I needed to actually go about changing who Kenny was. And then I found another company that had a kind of meditation that was science-based. And I read the story behind how the guy invented it. And he was like me. He was an animal, which that appealed to me, and then he figured some things out and he did the same thing.

He put a bunch of facts together. He goes, none of what I’ve done is new. I’ve just kind of assembled in a new way. And here’s what I came up with and it’s having fantastic results. And he didn’t do that for bipolar. He did it just to help anybody have a better life. Made sense to me. So I threw it in and I definitely experienced another surge upwards in good health.

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And then from there I started just really pulling apart the rest of my life. And I just took much better care of myself and started just working very hard on changing how I did anything and try to be proactive and positive. Put all of that together and it worked. I just kept getting better and better.

And I still do.

Karen: Now, as you were going through all of this from the time you were first diagnosed until now, how has this affected your family? Are you married? Do you have children?

Ken: Yeah. Both. Yes. To both. Well, as the illness started to consume me, I lost my first wife. I think the only reason she lasted… she saw some pretty spectacular badness.

I went psychotic a few times. I was, at that time,at my peak ,physically. So when I wanted to destroy something, I never did anything to her, but I destroy inanimate things and whatnot, I just was very scary. I attributed the fact that she was from Queens, New York that she hung in with me as long as she did because she was pretty tough.

But she cared for me. We divorced amicably and we’re still friends, but she sent me packing. She said, go home, get with your family and start trying to work on this. You’re a mess. Now in the middle, after I came home, I was living out in Denver and I moved back to New York.

I was losing ground fast and at the time I became a security guard in a very violent hospital. I got hired for my Marine background, my fighting capabilities and my size. The hospital was incredibly violent. That’s where I met my second wife. I picked up her with three step-kids and we had a son together.

And the stress of being married… I wasn’t ready. As a person, I totally wasn’t ready to have a family let alone bipolar. And then with the bipolar of course I was a mess. So I degenerated fast and then that wife saw… put it this way… I snapped one night and I went through a wall of bouncers at a bar that I happened to be in.

The only reason I was in the bar was cause I had racing thoughts and I couldn’t turn them off unless I drank. And after I mowed through all the bouncers, they couldn’t stop me, I went home and they had to call the cops on me because I was bashing my house all apart. And when the cops came in, there was four of them.

And my wife said they did not want a single bit of you. They came in and they hesitated. And at that point I was just sitting there. And she had finally seen enough. I was of no use to her as a husband, only a harm. I couldn’t take care of the kids and we separated. Now, given all of that, she lived with basically Satan.

She saw… I was unbelievably terrible. Like I said, I never touched her, but I was a scary thing to live with. And over time as I repaired myself, I did so well, she took me back. I wrote a book about all of this and the book ends off with me saying I lost my family, but I know why. It wasn’t all directly my fault, but some of it was. Can’t all be blamed on bipolar.

And I’ll just do my best to get the next person in my life and care for her right. Well, I got the same wife back. She was so impressed with how I improved, she wanted me back. And that right there is my greatest testimonial to how well what I do works. If anybody, you know, she should have been the last person to accept me back in her life.

Karen: Right. Now what about your relationship to the children? How do you explain your condition? And do they understand it and accept it?

Ken: Well, my son was just a baby, so he doesn’t really know. And the two older children they saw just enough. I ODed on my Lithium one night and was in a coma for two weeks. I died multiple times on the table and they just kept restarting my heart. The kids knew all of that.

I somehow came back to life and live. All the kids loved me. I’m like the cool dad. I’m an eccentric guy. Put it that way. And not due to bipolar. I don’t look at life the same way as many people around me. And it’s a fun kind of thing that I do.

And I made life fun for the kids. And they respected me as well. And so they’ve been very, very happy to have me back. They’ve been through too much in their short lives with bouncing around. Their mom’s done an incredible job of raising them under severely difficult circumstances. And I’ve made it my mission, besides missing her and loving her and loving them.

It was my mission not to just get them back for my own sake and peace of mind, but they need me. My wife needed her husband. My kids needed their father. And I realized I was the only one who was in possession of the tools and the perspective on life that I had, that could help them actually get out of where they ended up, partly due to me.

And it’s been working!

Karen: K. What mistakes do you think people who have bipolar make most often? What do you think are the typical mistakes? I think you mentioned a while ago with the trial and error, on the medications, I think everybody has gone through that at some point. But are there any other mistakes you think people make most often?

Ken: Well, that would be: Number One: taking meds without being your own best advocate. And assuming that that’s the only way to do it. That’d be the number one thing. Number two, you can be on meds and still do most of my system. And a number of people do. I find what people don’t understand, and this can be anybody, not just bipolar people, but with bipolar you, of course, can lack ration at certain times.

You get confused easily. All of that. They don’t realize how critical taking care of yourself is. Eating right, exercising, not having negative influences in your life, different things that anybody should know about how to just get a life done better. If you’re bipolar, it is absolutely critical that you take care of yourself.

You no longer are in a situation where you should take care of yourself. You are in a situation now where you have to take care of yourself. And I believe if people did what any of us that have lived long enough know, common sense wise, you ought to do to take care of yourself. If they did that even on meds, they would experience a much greater rate of improvement in their lives.

People take their health for granted quite simply,

Karen: Um hm. Whether you’re bipolar or not.

Ken: Totally! But with bipolar, you’ve already had one leg chopped off. You’re hopping around on one. You can’t be messing around with your other.

Karen: Well, as far as coping strategies for you, is there one particular strategy that you’ve found that makes dealing with bipolar easier for you that you would like to share with everybody?

I know you’ve mentioned a couple of things like meditation. But is there one particular thing that you think has made coping easier for you?

Ken: Well, I’d have to say it would depend on where in the process you caught me that how I’d answer that. The meditation, I use covers a lot of ground because it literally rewires your mind and you learn a different way to think.

Nothing dogmatic. Nothing religious. Nothing weird. It’s just flat out science and biology. Now that covers a lot of ground. And when I used to get very freaked out with my panic attacks or what have you, as I was healing, I would lay into that quite heavily, more so than the normal recommended amount.

Having a sounding board, somebody who has the patience to just hear whatever you have to say. For me that had been my mom.

She sat and listened to me for hours. She had no clue how to respond to me. How could she? And her just letting me talk. I actually developed most of this system just by… I basically was having a one man mastermind. My mom was helping, but she had nothing to tell me. I was figuring it all out myself just by letting me get it out.

So having someone to talk to is huge. That can be a therapist, a friend, anybody. And I find another thing that helped me very much and still does is, if you get a little shaky, if you get a little tremors of the past that are creeping back up on you.

Or even if you’re deep in the game still. If you’re doing something like what I do, cause I’m not the only game in town and there’s a lot of similar things to what I do, if you’re doing something, then almost chant to yourself like a mantra, I am literally doing everything I can think to do to take care of myself. Let that bring you some peace of mind.

Tell yourself that part of what you’re feeling isn’t even real. Your mind is literally messing with itself. You have more control than you realize, and you have to develop a faith and a belief that you do.

And over time you can, if you’re doing all the right things, People are too… and again, this is all society and it can cover many problems. People are too ready to accept the victim mode and to have a savior come and rescue them.

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People need to take responsibility for their situation. Now, granted, when you’re very sick, you can be weak on all fronts. I was a shell when I began this process. There was nothing left of me. But something in me said, there’s a tiny something. Just get something underway and stick to it.

For me, I learned that thought process in the Marines, but anybody can do it. You just got to want it bad enough.

Karen: Okay. Well, you talked about having somebody to talk to as you’re going through this. What would you say is the biggest don’t for friends or family members or anybody that you’re talking with. What is the biggest don’t that you would like to get across to those who are trying to support someone with bipolar disorder? What should they not do?

Ken: I’d say there’s a handful. But I think the one that irritates a lot of bipolar community the most is when a normal person says something along the lines of why can’t you just snap out of it? That’s like a dagger through the heart.

That’s kind of like having you sitting there with a broken arm and someone’s telling you to basically will your way into a good arm.

Karen: I agree. That’s my personal pet peeve. as well.

Ken: Oh, it’s terrible. And they don’t… bipolar is intangible. If there’s other than your behavior, your complexion, how big the bags are under your eyes and your behavior, there’s nothing a normal person can see. They’re basically taking the whole thing on your word.

And I tell people, it’s like, if you’ve ever done LSD, there’s no possible way to describe that to someone who hasn’t to where they get, oh, I understand. Bipolar is no different. It’s too weird. It’s too freaky. It’s too large.

And again, normal people, if you’ve always been normal and I put that in quotes. You’ve never lost your health. You don’t even realize how many things you have going for you ,until they’ve been stripped away. So when you tell a bipolar person, why can’t you just, you know, fight harder and get on track, do this.

I talk about having the will to fight your way out and everything. But like I said, it wasn’t easy for me. It took years before I even felt secure that I had a shot at staying healthy, once I got there. I didn’t even trust it when I had it, but I grew to trust it. So it takes time.

And normal people gotta be willing to let their unwell loved one have the room to do what they want. And it takes an incredible amount of patience. To be fair to the supporters, this is a hard, it’s no different than having an addict in the house. In a lot of ways it’s worse because bipolar people tend to be addicts. They can be addicts as well. It’s pretty common.

It’s a lot to ask a family to put up with until you can get out of it. And that’s a hard road to walk for a family, no matter whether it’s a sick person or the well people. A lot of love and patience.

Karen: Yep. I agree. I agree with that. Well, you have a website. You want to tell us what that website address is?

Ken: Okay. I’m in any development of a new one. I have a very large old one, but I have found a much better way to help people. And that website is now called bipolar dash survivor.com. That’s the new site.

There’s not a lot to look at just yet, but there is a link on there to my book and I will, as time progresses, it’s a lot of work and I’m in the middle of a lot of other projects that have nothing to do with this.

It will be interactive in a way that it brings a lot of help to people and there’s going to be a community there. I had this all established elsewhere online, but I made a lot of mistakes in how. it worked. And I learned from it.

I’m going to have a much better version. People can share their points of view and their opinions and talk to each other. And I will have tools and links to other helpful sites that I have found and trust, ad nauseum.

I’ll have a whole armada of tools for people to pick and choose from to help themselves get well from bipolar. It can be done.

Karen: OK. Very good. Are there any last thoughts that you want to share with the listeners or the readers or anything else you would like to share?

Ken: I would. Two things. To get well from bipolar and for that matter many different illnesses, it’s going to take more than a trip to the doctor and doing whatever comes of that next. You have to completely examine your entire life. That’s called holistic.

You have to look at everything because everything matters. Absolutely everything matters as to why you are like you are. That’s why medication doesn’t always do the trick for a lot of people. It’s one facet on a many faceted stone.

The other thing is, since I’ve begun all of this. I’ve been on stage, I’ve been on TV and on radio. I’ve done a lot of these things. I’ve met with the public frequently. I’ve talked to a lot of organizations from the podium. In the doing of it people have seen stuff from me that I didn’t even notice about myself, just characteristics.

And it’s led to unbelievably large offline projects. Like I said, they have nothing to do with mental health. And they’re in the area of saving cities millions of dollars and creating jobs for the people that normally can’t get hired at a much higher than normal working wage. I’m in the middle of developing all of that with three other men and two other engineers.

And we meet with city planners and leaders, and this has already gone national. Now in the middle of all of this, I just put my family back together in June and put us in a house. And I got back into the gym recently. I had to put the gym on hold to do all of this. The point is the list of what I do in a day is long.

It’s extensive. It’s complex. I’m beholden to many people. If anybody should be stressed out or have an excuse to be, it should be me. And here I am a former bipolar person. Again, there’s another rock solid testament to the fact that what I have to teach works. If I was going to break and go back to being bipolar, it should have happened long before this point.

My list of responsibilities at this at this time are humongous and I love it. There’s a piece of me that likes that. I can’t hold a job. I never could. I have had over 30 jobs. I’m good at anything I take the time to learn. And I’ll learn it fast. I’ve realized I have to have my own thing. I am not employee material.

I think a lot of bipolar people are like that. They need to look into what drives them and answer it, separate from the illness, and watch how fast your illness starts to bleed away. Part of bipolar is just not answering what your soul is trying to tell you.

That’s probably one of the most important things I can share.

Karen: That’s a very positive and very uplifting message. And I know it was for me. And I’m sure it will be for those that are listening or reading. Well, Ken, if you have any other thoughts, we’d love to hear them. If not, we’ll close and hopefully people will go to your website, see what you’re all about and take a look at your program.

And I wish you a lot of luck in all of your endeavors, both mental health wise and not mental health wise.

Ken: Thank you very much. No, I’m done. Too much, they’ll get sick.

Karen: All right, Ken, thanks a lot..

Ken: Thank you very much again for having me.

Post Interview

You could hear Karen’s heart in her voice, right? She cares. She knows things. She’s been down some of the roads I was down and who knows what format, but a lot of what I was talking about, wasn’t new to her. Real sweet lady. Glad I got to meet her, even if it was just by phone,

Hopefully, I’ll have found something cool that’ll direct you guys to wherever she lives now, online, if she’s still doing that. But I was real happy with how that interview went and it really caught all the key points of my whole story, in relation to bipolar disorder. That was some years ago, about nine.

All these interviews were about nine years ago. So, but that one came out really well, I thought. I think it’s a real helpful thing for bipolar people and to a degree, supporters of bipolar people. On that note, please go to outsiders journey.com and look for the green field. It’s a web book. It’s full of action sheets, explanatory content and videos from me, all of which show how I beat bipolar.

But can also be used just if your life’s gone off the rails, for any reason, this will get you back on track. I’m glad to give that stuff away to those in need. Took me years to put together… it took me years to discover the pieces of the system and benefit from it. Took me more years to put it together in the format you see there in that web book.

So you’re getting many years worth of work, compressed down into what could amount to a piece of your afternoon’s viewing and reading, to know all that I learned across however many years. That’ll save you a lot of trouble. If you’re bipolar or supporting someone who has bipolar, you’ve already got enough trouble on your hands.

Let me at least save you that much. I’m very glad to give that away. And then if you want to see what a mind like mine can turn into, once the bipolar aspects are quieted, controlled, redirected, then you’re going to want to click on the blue lady. That’s what I did with all of this. And it just keeps evolving from there, but start with the blue lady and you’ll be in contact with me from there.

And then I’ll be able to share even more. Help even more. It’s just going to keep growing…